Mike Pence Signs Changes To Religious Freedom Law

“John Iadarola (https://twitter.com/jiadarola), Ben Mankiewicz (https://twitter.com/benmank77) and Steven Oh (https://twitter.com/stevenoh88) filling in for Cenk Uygur .


  1. So a law that was passed to let a person use their religion beliefs to
    discriminate against gay people is now a law that forbids discrimination
    against gay people. I love it!

  2. Rightwing Conservatives are bigots and that’s very apparent due to recent
    events in the news.

  3. Ya I think the Kenya story deserve more than the measly 2 minutes that tyt
    dedicated to that “non issue”

  4. This law was made by Christians to descriminate against anyone they want. I
    wonder what they would have done when the religions started using this law
    against them.

  5. It’s funny because the legislature in Indiana CLEARLY passed this law in an
    effort to allow businesses the ability to legally discriminate based upon
    their religious beliefs. That’s why it was passed. So the changes
    essentially nullify the law.

  6. So whats the point now? The law has been neutered and seems to be nothing
    more than symbolism now. Like some kind of non binding referendum or

  7. People don’t “vacation” necessarily in Indianapolis. They go for sporting
    events, like the Final Four, the super bowl was there a few years ago, the
    Indy 500, and the NCAA headquarters and hall of fame. The tourism industry
    in Indianapolis is all cantered around conventions and sporting events. I
    think they hold national Future farmer conventions and Gencon et cetera.

  8. I just don’t understand why they would want to discriminate when they would
    lose business? In my mind that is such a bad business move, and they would
    even lose customers that support gay rights. So it was just overall
    confusing. I understand they wanted to get a point across, but for what? To
    lose money? To show they are “better” than the lgbt community? Really? This
    was so pointless, and a lot of people’s true colors(no pin intended) came

  9. I love how gay people try to say that the color of my skin is the same as
    someone who chooses their sexual preference.
    Being gay is a choice being black, brown, and asian is not.

  10. What did I say would happen when the Chamber of Commerce got involved?
    Look back on the comment I made a bit back on the story when it first broke
    I hope Pence realizes he just surrendered his hopes at running for Prez.

  11. Indiana has been embarrassed by this but they shouldn’t feel too badly, I’m
    a Californian and felt remorse for prop 8 passing.

  12. Religion is for simple minded folk, it promotes hate, discrimination, the
    subjugation of woman, it’s generally evil. Let your law makers know it’s
    time to end tax breaks for all organized religions! 

  13. The fact that the pizza place was able to raise over $500,000 from other’s
    like themselves shows the power of what organized discrimination can
    accomplish. By legalizing discrimination they could easily apply that same
    power to run minorities out of their homes by systematically limiting their
    access to basic resources. 

  14. It’s funny how nobody realized that veterans could be thrown out of stores
    because in reality Christianity preaches pacifism (until you are dead,
    that’s when the burning starts) so technically a Christian COULD refuse a
    veteran entrance under the old law for having transgressed against “gawd”.

    Though it’s nice to see this law absolutely fucking butchered and useless.
    Really what does it say right now? The only thing it can be used for now is
    to walk out of an evolution lesson at school or something.

  15. Long post, but well worth it. The 14 Defining Characteristics of
    Fascism…If this isn’t a wakeup call, nothing is.

    1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism – Fascist regimes tend to make
    constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other
    paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing
    and in public displays.

    2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights – Because of fear of enemies
    and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that
    human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people
    tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions,
    assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
    3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause – The people
    are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a
    perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities;
    liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

    4. Supremacy of the Military – Even when there are widespread domestic
    problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government
    funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military
    service are glamorized.

    5. Rampant Sexism – The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost
    exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles
    are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and
    the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family

    6. Controlled Mass Media – Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the
    government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by
    government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives.
    Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

    7. Obsession with National Security – Fear is used as a motivational tool
    by the government over the masses.

    8. Religion and Government are Intertwined – Governments in fascist nations
    tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate
    public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from
    government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are
    diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.

    9. Corporate Power is Protected – The industrial and business aristocracy
    of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into
    power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and
    power elite.

    10. Labor Power is Suppressed – Because the organizing power of labor is
    the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either
    eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

    11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts – Fascist nations tend to
    promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It
    is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even
    arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

    12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment – Under fascist regimes, the police
    are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often
    willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the
    name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually
    unlimited power in fascist nations.

    13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption – Fascist regimes almost always are
    governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to
    government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect
    their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes
    for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even
    outright stolen by government leaders.

    14. Fraudulent Elections – Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a
    complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns
    against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation
    to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and
    manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their
    judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

  16. I think if someone wants freedom of religion that should be ok as long as
    it doesn’t interfere with anyone else’s rights. However if you are just
    going to pick a few rules from your religion in order to discriminate
    against others and not other rules that are supposed to be just as
    important, that’s BS.

  17. You know what’s great about this? The left see him as a complete asshole
    and the right see him as a backpedaling traitor. Good job, Mike!

  18. It was alaw that did nothing much except give bigots an easy way out of
    court, It’s now a law that actually does litteraly nothing at all

  19. So is it “Iadarola” or “Iadaola”? I was pretty certain it had an “r” but
    it’s been spelled without one in the description for so long that I’m not
    sure anymore.

  20. Here is the problem I have with this. What happens when the religious
    group that is opposed to gay marriage waltzes in to the gay bakery and
    demands that the gay couple cater their anti-gay rally? Nobody should be
    forced to participate in something that offends their sensibilities. Do we
    want black people to be forced to cater/serve a KKK rally? Of course not.
    There is a point when the outrage exceeds the actuality of the situation.
    We are there. It is time to stop the nonsense and find another
    hypothetical pizza place. Time will fix the rest. 

  21. Here are the things I learned about this whole kerfuffle:

    -Corporations are hypocrites when it comes to human rights and dignity.
    NCAA for example is making money off its athletes and they’re not even
    benefiting one bit. Walmart is still going to do business in many Christian
    majority nations in Africa where being gay is punishable by life in prison
    or death. Apple will continue to do business in Islamic Republics like
    Saudi Arabia.

    -Politicians are still unprincipled hypocrites. Gov. Pence should have
    stood his ground and defended his law if he had any principles. However, he
    doesn’t and he has proven that he will do anything to attain power. He was
    wrong to propose this law, but he could have given a strong argument for
    it, which there wasn’t.

    -Money talks.

    -Bigotry is bad for business, but is good if you want a GoFundMe account. 

  22. what so bad, its almost bad as the 180 students islam murders. almost.
    insuting gays is the #1 issue tho

  23. that state should still be boycoted into bancrupcy! once all they have left
    is siting around worshiping god and hating people who are different, maybe
    then that might be a lesson for everyone else. we are in the year 2015 and
    any1 who ever again tries to bring some stupid stupid stuuuuupid
    distraction up like that will be send back to the dark ages where he
    fucking belongs. all they understand is money? fine but you still have to
    go the extra lightyear to drive the point home

  24. if the fridge right churchs want to be part of our gov. have them pay taxes
    like every one else
    if the church wants to have a say so revoke there tax free status

  25. WTH? Where are two original hosts. The girl anna and cenk I think his name
    is. I like hearing them talk

  26. OK, Republicans, time for some tough-I wouldn’t say love, but- To win the
    Republican primary you have to be as ignorant and untethered and
    belligerent a neanderthal as you can possibly be. You must have an
    unnatural, unreasonable irrational hatred for Obama that transcends all
    logic or decency. You have to crush gay people in the name of Christian
    Supremacy re-dubbed “Religious freedom.” That apparently is the only way
    to get through the primary. This law being passed was partially done to
    advance the presidential ambitions of Mike Pence in order to paint him as a
    hardline conservative that meets my above description.

    Well done. The qualification to pass the republican primary is to prove
    how unelectable you are.

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